Okay. So, George, um I understand you're
running for London Mayor. Um why are you
running for London Mayor? Well, London's
only had two mayors. Both of them have
been larger than life characters, big
personalities, independent of the
political machines. And I think that
that's fitting even though I don't agree
with the current mayor Boris Johnson. No
one could say was David Cameron's uh
stoogge uh or dog's body of any kind. Uh
so Labour had Ken Livingston. The
Conservatives have had Boris Johnson.
Both of them interesting. Uh even partly
in the case of Boris Johnson at least
slightly comical, slightly comedic, but
never a dull moment. And the last thing
London needs is a dull mayor who's just
a speak your weight machine for the the
political class. Uh, and I think when I
saw the field, I thought there's a space
here for an independent-minded person
with a long track record in politics
with a lot of ideas and the courage to
stand up for them uh and uh a bit more
interesting than what was on offer. So,
I threw my hat in the ring uh and it's
been picked up by a very significant
number of people. the bookmakers have
got me as third favorite and that's
probably right with seven or eight
months to go. Uh but sometimes the third
favorite wins like in Canada where uh
where Justin Trudeau has just come from
third place to to win the election. Um
what's been your how have you been
received so far by the people you
visited? What's been the reception? Well
uh there have been one or two surprises.
Um
I expected to be strong where I am
strong amongst the uh minority ethnic
communities who constitute 53% of the
London electorate. So London is a city
where the minorities are the majority. I
expected to be strong in those
communities because I've spent my life
fighting for those communities.
The pleasant surprise has been the
number of people in communities that I
would not have expected to uh
automatically be warmly received who are
sick to the back teeth of the political
class. They're not apathetic. They're
apoplelectic about the pathetic nature
of that political class. They think that
the labor and conservative choices are
mediocre. second, third rate choices and
they're coming up to me saying, "I don't
agree with everything you say, but I
used to listen to you on the radio or I
watch you on YouTube, see you on RT
uh on a Saturday, and yeah, I've got a
real chance of getting their votes." So,
that's been uh a surprise, but the
overall reception has been tremendous.
Uh partly that's because I think I'm
quite a strong candidate, but it's also
partly because the other candidates are
very weak. Um what's your view of the
other main candidates?
Well, Zack Goldmith is the conservative
candidate. Uh he inherited a 700 million
pound personal fortune from his father.
Uh nice work if you can get it. Uh he's
a very nice person. uh a perfectly
honorable person to be honest. Um and if
you want a 700 million pound heir to a
personal fortune who went to eaton and
Oxford was in the Bullington club with
Boris Johnson and David Cameron. You
couldn't get a better one than him. Uh
he's definitely better than Cameron and
uh Boris Johnson, but he's in the same
niche, that multi multi
multi-millionaire niche, who've never
had to worry about paying a rent, never
had to worry about meeting their
mortgage, never have to worry about a
job, never have to worry about traveling
secondass or on the bus or on the
underground.
uh he's lived the life of the Great
Gatsby and that just doesn't fit or
square with the 8 million London voters
who don't have the benefit of that kind
of lifestyle. Uh he's the number one
candidate. He's the favorite at the
bookies. The Labor candidate, it's
almost a case of least said the better.
He's entirely
forgettable even if you ever knew who he
was in the first place. His name is Sadi
Khan. He flip flops flip flops all over
the place. Uh his politics are way to
the right of Jeremy Corbin. He's in
favor of Trident nuclear weapons. He's
in favor of austerity. He thinks Jeremy
Corbin's economic policy is, and I quote
him, ridiculous.
He accused Jeremy Corbin and John
Macdonald of encouraging terrorism in
London by their stand on Ireland in the
past and on Middle East issues today.
It's a very very serious charge to make
against the leader of your own party,
but that's what he did. Um, nobody much
notices what he does because frankly
he's a he's a lightweight character.
Obviously he's my principal opponent
because If I'm going to win, I have to
come ahead of him. If I come ahead of
him, I'm certain that enough of his
voters will make me their second
preference that could put me over the
finishing line. So, I'm out to
demonstrate to voters on the center left
and others of independent mind that I'm
a better Labor man than the Labor
candidate. I'm much closer to the
positions of Jeremy Corbin than the
Labor candidate is. So if you like
Corbin kind of should vote for
me. I just wanted to talk a little bit
about I was very surprised and I think a
lot of other people were to
see
comments about Palestinian
resistance. What was your take on?
Well, he uh
he
equates the Palestinian resistance with
terrorism. And this is completely
unacceptable because it is the legal and
the moral but definitely
legal right of every occupied people to
resist their occupy to rise up against
them. Uh you're talking to me for Russia
today when the occupation captured parts
of of of the the then Soviet Union in
the Second World War. The Russian
partisans and Ukrainian
partisans would have killed them with
their teeth if they could because they
could not accept a foreign occupation of
their country. And who would? Mr.
Churchill promised the Nazis when they
were at the Channel ports that if they
crossed the English Channel and landed
here, he promised them uh never ending
guerrilla warfare. He said, "We'll fight
them on the beaches, uh on the landing
grounds, from roof to roof, from house
to house, in the streets, in the hills.
We will never surrender," he said. Well,
that's what the Palestinians are doing.
They're saying we've been militarily
occupied
illegally, brutally for almost 50 years
in the case of Jerusalem and the West
Bank and Gaza and much much longer than
that in other parts of Palestine. So to
equate people rising up against foreign
military occupation of their country uh
with terrorism is is wholly wrong and he
should never have done it.
Do you think it's fair to say that
London is an international city. We had
huge demonstrations last year in support
of
Palestine. It seems like London really
might be ready for a mayor who
understands these international issues
and speak to a
cosmopolitan London. Is that the kind of
platform? It it is. I mean my my my main
platform is on specifically London
things, the policing of London, the
transportation of London, above all the
housing situation in London. But London
is a world city. It's a
worldclass,
worldleading world city. And so it kind
of deserves a mayor who knows about the
world and who's known in the world. And
I think that my qualifications on that
are better than the other two uh by
quite a long chalk. Actually, I can
speak
to the Chinese, the Russians, the Arabs,
the Asians, the Africans. I can speak to
them and they'll know who I am and I can
set out London's attractions and
London's store uh in the world with
without having to, you know, give a
business card to say who I am. Uh, and I
think that that's an advantage. But
there's another side to that coin that
you your viewers may not have quite yet
grasped. Although people will be voting
for a London mayor and they will be
voting on London issues, they also have
their own point of view on international
issues. And if the candidate doesn't
square with their view on international
issues, that candidate's got a problem.
Uh so for example, if you're one of the
millions in London that really cares
about the Palestinian people, why would
you be attracted to vote for uh for Sadi
Khan who believes that the Palestinian
resistance are
terrorists? Uh the same would be true uh
on issues uh like uh Syria for example,
uh issues like the Ukraine. Um, these
are issues where large numbers of voters
in London have a point of view. Now, it
may be the opposite point of view to
mine, and I'll expect to suffer a bit as
a result of that, but most often I think
you'll find that my point of view is
shared by the majority.
With the election of Jeremy Corbyn, who
was elected largely on the ticket of a
clear anti-husterity ticket and an
anti-war ticket, Many people now feel
that's an indication that number one
these issues alone seen as protest
politics along the fringe and number two
that there's a resurgence of real
energy. Do you think your your platform
could be part of that resurgence? I do.
Uh, I'm expecting to benefit from the
Corbinista search, not least since Sadi
Khan has begun attacking Jeremy Corbin
almost on a daily basis, which must be
very dispiriting for the for the new
party leader to have his own meal
candidate criticizing him in the
right-wing newspapers all the time. Uh
so I'm working on the assumption that
the people who liked Corbyn most are
likely to vote for me in the mal
election. And that's a very important
part of my uh my coalition. Uh real
labor never went away. Real labor
standing up for the working people.
Well, Sadi Khan, for example, says, and
he said it over and over again, "I want
to be the most pro business mayor in
London's history." Well, big business
and the banks don't actually need a
mayor on their side. You know, it's the
working people who need a mayor on their
side. It's the tenants. It's the people
struggling to pay their mortgage. The
people packed like sardines into
overcrowded, overpriced London
underground trains. I've just been in
Moscow. uh on the Moscow metro which is
a thing of beauty like going into a
theater
uh and where the fairs are way less than
half what people are paying in London uh
these are the people who need a mayor on
their side uh big business the banks
they've got plenty of power they don't
need the counterveailing democratic
power uh of an elected mayor so yes I
think uh these are ideas whose time has
come. The zeitgeist, as Corbin proved,
is definitely with those who say enough
austerity. The working people have paid
enough for a crisis they didn't create
and from which they never benefited. Let
the people who benefited and who did
create it pay the price for it. We've
paid enough. And so I think that
austerity is coming to an end. uh it
needs to be brought to an end, needs to
come to an end, to a stop, with a jolt.
And my election as London mayor would
certainly be quite a jolt. Um just
focusing on London for a minute, what
are your main policy pledges to the
people of London? What are the
centerpiece policies if you like? Uh
well, uh you know,
housing, the word crisis is banded
around a lot in politics. This is a real
crisis. This is a crisis of hundreds of
thousands of people who simply can't
afford to go on living in London yet
have to be in London because they're
working here. people who are traveling
hours to get to their work as vital
public servants, as nurses, as teachers,
as police officers, as firefighters,
uh essential workers in inner London who
couldn't dream of living in inner London
and increasingly not even in outer
London, who've had to move entirely out
of the city. Um, housing is in crisis
for a lot of reasons. The first one
going back to the time of Mrs. Thatcher
was the sale of huge numbers of council
houses that have never been replaced.
Last year in London we built 80 council
houses 8 in a city of 8 million where
hundreds of thousands of people are on
the waiting list. But more importantly,
even than that, over the last 20 years,
as London has boomed, as the city of
London bmed, the price of land rose and
rose, and we now have the highest rents
and the highest house prices in the
entire world, bar none. Higher than
Moscow, higher than New York, higher
than Monaco, bar none.
And these eyewatering prices are
continuing to rise because the London
mayor over the last eight years has
given developers permission to develop
luxury housing for the richest people.
And you know what? Much of the time they
don't even live in the houses. They're
actually buying property and thus
helping to drive up prices. They're
buying it just as a place to park their
money. And sometimes it's stolen money.
London is the hot money capital of the
world. And people are essentially using
London housing as a safety deposit box,
as a cash deposit box where they can put
their gains, sometimes illotten gains,
safe from the regulator, safe from the
police, safe from the media and the
government in their own countries. And
this will have to stop. So, I'm going to
compulsorily purchase any house in
London that isn't lived in for a year
without a proper excuse. I'm going to
insist that property developers include
in any development proposals that come
before me, and they all come before me
if I'm the mayor, that 50% of the
housing units are what we call
affordable housing. Now, by affordable,
I mean 50% of the average rents in the
area. Now, developers will squeal.
They're not queuing up to invest in my
MER campaign. They'll say, "Well, that
means we won't develop." I say, "You
will develop because you'll make enough
money out of the other 50% to make
development worthwhile." uh but you
won't be developing unless you meet that
uh that uh uh character uh
characteristic. The other thing I'll do
and I don't have the power as a mayor to
do it, but I'll campaign with Jeremy
Corbin for a mass council house building
program. You know, when I was a kid,
Britain built 300,000 council houses
every year. That was under a
conservative government. it was under
Winston Churchill and Harold McMillan
that these house numbers were achieved.
Uh and if we could do it then just after
the second world war when we were
absolutely broke we can do it now.
Given just talking about housing how
does it look when the Labor candidate
for the London race has
disting supposed to represent the values
of the labor movement? Well, he who pays
the piper in politics calls the tune.
Everyone in the world knows that if a if
a property developer is funding your
election campaign, you can be sure that
he either believes or maybe even is
fairly confident that the person he's
paying for is going to deliver the
goods. which in this case means business
as usual where property developers snap
up land, build very very blue chip high
value housing, pay lip service to the
need for affordable housing. I mean at
Battery Power Station for example which
is the latest big uh private development
very beautiful site on the river temps
uh only 8% of the houses there are
affordable houses and by affordable they
mean 80% of the average rents not my
50%. Uh so actually Sadiq Khan his
campaign was paid for by property
developers who donated the lion share of
his election expenses. But frankly all
the Labor candidates who were fighting
for the Labor nomination were all funded
by property developers just different
ones. Uh some property developers uh
thought they'd put their money on this
one or that one. Uh and uh as it
happens, it was Sadi Khan's uh property
developers that won the day, but I don't
think they'll win the day in the
election.
Zack Goldmith has no need uh of uh
assistance from property developers.
He's richer than any property developer.
Just sticking with this theme of
corruption for a minute because I think
another reason
why people
Clearly because people are are sick of
the corrupt elite, however we might want
to characterize it. Do you have a plan
to clean up the city of London? This is
an strikes.
I have a plan and his name is Max
Kaiser. I'm going to appoint Max as my
uh my finance economics zar. He'll be
effectively London's chancellor of the
excheer. And when people ask me what you
going to do on the first day if you're
elected mayor, I say I'm going to send
in Max Kaiser into the city of London,
into the square mile, the richest square
mile on the earth to tell them that the
party is over. We cannot tolerate a
situation where rampant criminality at
worst and at best criminal negligence
which took London and Britain as a whole
over the cliff in the crash of
2008 and in which by the way virtually
nobody has been convicted of any crime.
If you pick someone's pocket in
Liverpool Street Station you'll be
behind bars very quickly. But if you
pick the bank's pocket of a million, 10
million, 30, 40, 50 million pounds, no
one will touch you. No one goes to jail.
The banks were too big to fail. The
bankers too big to jail. We've got to
end that culture. And so, one of the
things I intend to do is bring about a
merger of the Metropolitan Police, which
serves London as a whole, and the
so-called City of London Police. It's a
little known fact that the city of
London, the one square mile, has its own
police force and they haven't been doing
a very good job. They didn't catch
hardly any of the people who've been
robbing us blind. Uh, and that's not
acceptable. So, we we need a police
force that will police irrespective of
the color of someone's face or the color
of their collar. You see blue collar
crime can be nasty of course and no one
tolerates crime of any kind but the
white collar crime is far far more
lucrative far far more profitable and
they never get caught and when they get
caught they rarely get prosecuted. When
they get prosecuted rarely convicted
when convicted rarely jailed and that's
what we intend to bring about an end to.
So, um, if any of your viewers have ever
seen Max Kaiser on RT on the Kaiser
report, you'll know just how fearsome a
prospect unleashing Max on the city is
going to be.
Um, one of the other things I think
people feel very strongly about is tax
avoidance by big corporations. I mean,
obviously as there will be a limit to
your power, but what would you use your
bully?
Yeah. Well, the the bully pullpit will
be one of the uh clubs that I shall use
uh
to name and shame these people, these
companies, these corporations. But we're
also looking with Max and his team of uh
very smart uh young people who know
about finance to the razor sharp degree.
Um we've got one or two surprises up our
sleeve. uh um for example uh if you are
uh I don't know let's call it uh
Starbucks or Facebook
uh or one of these other top shop one of
these other big companies that make a
lot of money in London but don't pay any
tax. I think Facebook paid4,000 pounds
last year in corporation tax despite
making billions of of pounds in in
profits. Uh well, we'll look at ways in
which we can financially penalize you.
For example, um why should it cost you
the same to get your trash collected
uh than it uh that than is paid by a
company that is paying its tax? Maybe if
you don't pay your tax, we'll charge you
a very great deal of money to lift your
trash in the morning. Maybe we'll charge
you a very great deal of money to
provide uh London's services for you.
Maybe we'll get the tax that way rather
than uh through the inland revenue.
We're looking at ways uh to pursue that
uh right at this minute. Um, so
policing, housing, uh, and, uh,
transport are going to be very, very big
changes in London if we win. If you'll
allow me, there's a there the, if you
think the rest of it is radical. Would
you hear this? If I'm the mayor,
there'll be no trucks. There will be no
heavy vehicles operating in London all
day between dawn and dusk because the
number of cyclists who are being maimed
and even killed, the number of
pedestrians likewise, and the thing that
tipped it for me is the figure that more
than 9,000 people a year in London are
dying from the long-term exposure to the
pollution caused by the congestion.
uh mainly created by these heavy
vehicles and the traffic jams that they
they produce. So if you're the driver of
a truck, if you're a delivery vehicle
beyond a certain size, you'll have to do
your deliveries between dusk and dawn.
Thus, London will truly become a 24-hour
city. Of course, the workers involved
will have to be paid by their employers
commenurately for that. And there'll be
negotiation and maybe the odd exemption
here and there, but it's my intention to
make a much greener London in the
interest of everyone concerned. I know
that one of the issues you're
campaigning around has caught a few
people's attention, right? So, um I hear
you've got a message for black cab
drivers and you have a plan for I do and
that's not disconnected to the
congestion issue. Uh, one of the reasons
why London streets are so congested is
because everyone can declare themselves
a taxi driver just by purchasing a a
phone
app, not knowing necessarily a single
street in London. You may you may have
just arrived from the Czech Republic and
get yourself an Uber app and hey presto,
you're a taxi driver and tens of
thousands are driving around with these
apps saying that they're taxi drivers.
If you add that level of congestion of
over supply uh to all these trucks and
heavy vehicles and the cars that are
there anyway, it's a real significant
contributor to the pollution, to the
accidents. Uber are terrible for
accidents. And of course, you never know
when you get into an Uber whether the
cars insured. You don't know even that
the person who turned up to pick you up
is the person who had the app. And of
course, you'll be charged what they call
surge pricing if it were to suddenly
become very heavy rain outside now. It
will be a different price to get an Uber
car than it was half an hour ago when
the weather was fine. Uh if there's a
tube strike, the fair will be five times
as much as it was when there wasn't a
tube strike on holiday. I mean, it's a
it's a big mess. and transport for
London have contributed mightily to it.
I believe that London cabs and the
private hire businesses that have taken
many decades to establish themselves are
perfectly capable of providing the uh
the cab and private hire needs of
London. Cab drivers are small
businessmen, 25,000 of them. They study
for four years the knowledge of London.
They have a knowledge of London and I
believe a strength of character and uh a
a durability and dependability that
Londoners can trust and we mustn't allow
them to be made extinct by an American
taxding multinational outfit called
Uber. I wanted to shift gears just
slightly a little bit.
As London mayor, I think a lot of people
would be really interested in your view
of the government's position on the
refugee crisis and specifically Syria
and now the involvement of
Russia crisis. What's your view of the
government's policy toward Syria, their
role in exacerbating the refugee crisis
and now Russia's role? Well, uh, it is
first of all, uh,
distinctly
uncchristian to go around the world
bombing other people's countries and
then slamming the door shut on the
people who are fleeing from your bombs
and the wars that you unleashed. And
that's what these gallant Christian
gentlemen who run the British government
are doing exactly. Uh, I'm not in favor
of mass influxes of refugees from Syria
or anywhere else. I want them to go back
to Syria. Syria needs these people
there. the Syrian society is being
decapitated by the the war that's been
unleashed upon Syria and by the uh the
attitude of Western governments towards
that war and the culpability of many
western governments in that war. So uh I
think and I've been a voice on this as
you know for a very very long time that
imperialism and its wars are the primary
cause of so much suffering in the world
and we need to people say to me what
would you do I say I'd do the opposite
of what we're doing now. So instead of
supporting uh ISIS and al-Qaeda I'd
support the Iraqi and Syrian governments
in trying to defeat them. And now that
Russia is much more heavily involved in
the war, why not join forces with Russia
and bring about an end to ISIS and
al-Qaeda? After all, our leaders were
telling us until just a few weeks ago
that these people were the scourge of
the earth. They were the the worst thing
we'd ever seen in in world history and
so on. Well, in as much as that's true,
why are we complaining that Russia is
defeating them? Let's join Russia in
defeating them. Of course, defeating
ISIL and al-Qaeda is necessary but not
sufficient. There are many other changes
need to take place in the Middle East
and amongst these dictatorships in the
in the region. But defeating ISIS and
al-Qaeda, whilst not sufficient, is
definitely necessary. I expect there
will be a lot of debate about this even
though it's not, of course, a London
matter. It's not something the mayor has
power over, but I'm not going to keep a,
you know, a vow of silence when I have a
point of view, and moreover, one that
has been proved
right. I was amongst
those who most loudly told Tony Blair
that invading and occupying Iraq would
be not just a crime, but a blunder. a
blunder that we would all suffer from
for generations to come. I was right
then. Everyone recognizes that now, even
if they don't want to admit it. And I'm
right now about the Palestine issue,
about the Syrian question. I'm not right
on everything. I've made mistakes, but
on these big issues, me and my friends
have been right. And people should
listen to us now. I think I agree with
all of that. I think One thing
that is very close to a lot of London's
hearts, London being the big
multicultural city that it is. Um,
please tell us about your film about
Tony Blair and also please just tell us
your view about the recent revelations
that have confirmed what we suspect to
be the case. Well, uh, it's good that
you mentioned that last point because,
uh, it's just as well our film, uh,
hadn't been released yet because the
revelations come thick and fast. In
fact, there's hardly a weekend goes by
where some new crime of Tony Blair is
not revealed. Uh, and so our film, which
was finished and in postp production, is
on Saturday. So, a couple of days from
now, I'm going to have to film yet
another new ending and stick it on the
end of the film. And that'll have to be
it. I I can't keep doing this every
every weekend after I've read the
newspapers. We refer of course to the
Powell memorandum
uh in which I'm mentioned a couple of
times uh in
which Powell is explaining to Bush
uh that Tony Blair has signed up
guaranteed that Britain will be in the
war. Britain will invade Iraq. Britain
will will will occupy Iraq. this a full
year and and a month 13 months before
Parliament actually voted to go to war.
Which means that every word that Tony
Blair said between Powell's memo and
actually going to war was a brazen lie.
He kept repeating that he didn't want to
have to go to war, that we were not
planning war, that we intended
diplomatic solutions, that we intended
the United Nations to be uh the agency
that would solve the differences that
exist, and it was all a pack of lies, as
uh as General Powell points out in this
uh memo. So, not only is our film having
to be amended, so the Chilcot inquiry
will have to be amended because if there
was any doubt that Mr. Blair
systematically lied to the parliament
and the people and the queen and the
armed forces, that doubt has now been uh
removed. Uh the film, The Killings of
Tony Blair will be out very soon. It is
going to be distributed by one of the
world's uh the world's leading film
distributors
uh with a long long long list of credits
to their name and I think it's going to
be a tremendous success because it pulls
together all the crimes of Tony Blair.
Some of which even a smart man like you
has forgotten and some of which many
people have never heard of. It talks
about the attempt to kill the Labor
Party. The killing of millions in the
wars and the financial killings that
Blair and his associates by the way have
made as a result of the previous two uh
killings. So, uh, it's going to be on
cinemas near you very soon after
Christmas.
Yes, it's a popcorn night. Definitely. I
saw a tweet from you the other day
actually which I thought was very
interesting. You
said the establishment is preparing to
sacrifice Tony Blair. Just final point
on sort of this topic. Do you think
Blair is going to face charges and do
you think he may well
Uh I do think he will face charges and
if he does face charges if there's any
justice
uh he's bound to be guilty as uh one of
the British ambassadors says in our film
when I asked him do you think Tony
Blair's a war criminal? He said uh well
if Tony Blair is not a war criminal
there can't be any war criminals. There
can be no such thing as a war criminal
if Tony Blair isn't one. This is a
British ambassador. Uh and I think that
uh the net is closing on Blair. I think
these revelations drip by drip all
indicate that the British establishment
has decided that he's too much of a
liability and having backed him and made
him surf these waves over these decades
in parliament as Middle East peace envoy
and as multi multi-millionaire business
magnate.
uh they're now prepared to drop him and
uh I think it can be seen on his face
that that net is closing in. Um let's
fast forward a bit. It's now May 2016.
You just won the London May. It's the
morning after you had your victory
cigar. What's your first act as London
may very first? Well, I hope I will have
m maintained uh my stopping of smoking
so I won't have the celebratory cigar.
I've uh I've stopped smoking now for
some months after a mere 40 years of
smoking cigars. Uh so I'm I'm hoping I
won't lapse even on such a night. Uh I'm
serious. I will send Max Kaiser across
to meet the Lord Mayor of the City of
London, which is an honorary position,
but a powerful one, to see the older
men, and uh I'll be meeting at the same
time with the commissioner of the
Metropolitan Police.
Max will be telling those in the city
that the party's over and I'll be
telling the commissioner of the
Metropolitan Police that many things are
going to have to change. That the people
have spoken and that London wants a
police force that looks like London that
polices impartially, justly,
irrespective of the color of the
person's face or the color of their
shirt collar. Uh, that'll be a double
action. Max will be over the road in the
city. Sometimes, you know, some people
think I'm quite radical. Max is much
more radical than me. I'll have to stop
him from dragging these city types down
to the Tower of London and strapping
them to the traitor's gate. Uh, I'm
against capital punishment, so we'll
have to stop short of that.
Uh, yeah. Okay. Final couple of
questions. Sure.
What's your message?
What's your This is obviously RTV is
going to be watching this. What's your
message given that they're watching
this? What's your message to the to the
government and what's your message to
the Labor Party? Well, the Labor Party
should uh should uh return to its first
principles.
It should expel Tony Blair and Jack
Straw and Alistister Campbell and all
those that dragged us into the mess of
Iraq. It should stick to the politics
that have been enunciated by its new
leader uh which achieved such a
tremendous mandate uh in the summer of
2015. And if they do that up against
George Osborne, my money would be on
Jeremy Corbin. Don't forget, it won't be
Cameron next time. It'll probably be
George Osborne. And between now and
then, we'll probably have a downturn in
the British economy, maybe a severe one.
So by the time 2020 comes along, the
Tories will be very damaged goods.
George Osborne is David Cameron minus
and Jeremy Corbin can beat him. But
people have to have the courage of their
convictions and stick to the course. My
message to the government would be as
Cromwell said in dismissing the long
parliament centuries ago in the name of
God for all the good that you have been
doing. Go now. Just go.
A quick piece of the camera just to
Britain's had enough of government by
the millionaires for the millionaires.
It's time the millions took up the
power. The
99% who are cruy exploited by the 1% who
can only do it so long as they can fool
enough of us to keep them in power.
That's why David Cameron's still in
Downing Street. I hope his days are
numbered.
And I hope Jeremy lost the distance,
which I think is going to be tough.
Rather than Osborne, do you think Boris
Johnson clearly got his eye on Well, it
depends on the on the economy. If the
economy tanks, then Osborne shares go
down. If they avoid another recession,
then it'll definitely be Osborne. But
you're right, if there's a full scale
recession in 2017, 2018, especially if
it's 2018,
uh then Cameron and Osborne will sink
together and Boris Johnson might be the
might be the choice. It's either Johnson
or it's Osborne. I'm hoping, frankly,
it's Osborne.